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How should evolution be taught in public schools?

Tomorrow the Florida State Board of Education will review whether or not evolution should be taught in public schools. How do you think evolution should be taught?

1)       As a Fact

2)       As a Theory

3)       Should not be taught at all
Published Monday, February 18, 2008 10:16 AM by bsabatinelli

Comments

 

Mj Green said:

There is so much evidence that evolution did take place.  Why even question teaching it?  I'm so tired of the people wanting it not to be taught, or to teach creationism.  THAT is theory, or rather, mythology.
February 18, 2008 5:10 PM
 

Cherryl Bennett said:

They took God and prayer out of the schools !!! Evolution most certainly should not be taught at all !! Fair is Fair !!!
And to comment ...
God and prayer out of schools = kids killing kids !!
February 18, 2008 5:10 PM
 

Robert Murray said:

Evolution as advocated by Charles Darwin has its basis in scientific fact.  Why are religious advocates so threatened by this?  Reasons to Believe is a church organization with its headquarters in California that adheres to evolution as well as the Bible.  You CAN believe in both.  Check it out on the web.
February 18, 2008 5:12 PM
 

Richard G Elm said:

If people would really look at the facts the theory of evolution from one species to another by DNA studies is impossible.  There needs to ba a real dicussion in public to really get to know the real facts.
February 18, 2008 5:14 PM
 

Brian Maday said:

I have no problem resolving 'creationism' vs 'evolution. I really comes down to "how long were GOD's days."

Whose says that one of his days were 10,000,000 years?

Perhaps GOD was having fun, and playing, when HE 'created' all that is? And maybe his days were much longer than creationists think...

Cannot ignore the fact that WE think in terms of Earth days - and I believe there is agreement that in the "INFINITE UNIVERSE", we are very, very small.
February 18, 2008 5:17 PM
 

Dave Tyler said:

America has already gone too far taking prayer out of school.  God IS the Creator of the universe and all man kind. We need to get this message across, or America will fall!
February 18, 2008 5:18 PM
 

Ross H Beattie said:

I believe in God (I am a Christian) and I believe that he is the Creator of our Univerese.

The Bible was written by man and is man's best interpretation of how "things" might have happened.  So the "facts" in the bible are mere symbolic interpretations of what man believes actually happened.  To have a monkey walking on to Noah's Ark with his mate less than a million years after life was created is a mere figment of someone's immagination.  But, symbolically, it is real...and so we move on...!        

Anyway... thanks for the opportunity to respond to your inquirey...hopefully God approves of my response.
February 18, 2008 5:19 PM
 

Brant Cain said:

I feel sorry for those who believe in evolution but, veryone will find out in the end no matter what they believe.  There is no real evidence that evolution took place.  Evolution is all just theory.  
February 18, 2008 5:19 PM
 

Cherryl Bennett said:

I am not a monkey !! ... nor are any of my ancestors of monkies !!
Scientist have facts that do agree with the Bible.
Christians are not threatened as our father is King but it is a shame that people who believe that they came from monkies are ever so threatened by christians and the word of God enough to get it taken out of the school systems.
I won't return here to read any more as I just happened to refresh the page and saw the few comments made and thought to respond.
You can believe you are a monkey if you wish LOLOLOLOL
monkey see, monkey do !!
heehee
AAHAHAAHA
February 18, 2008 5:19 PM
 

Kenneth Dean said:

In our so called "enlightened" age, there should be no question about how to answer the question.  Evolution should be taught as a fact.  And believing in evolution need not contradict our belief that God is the Creator of all life.
February 18, 2008 5:20 PM
 

joann said:

I don’t understand how this should even be a legitimate question. there is plenty of evidence that man evolved over thousands of years. Religion has its place but it should not be a choice in public schools just because the church says we came from Adam and Eve. The bible should not be taken literally, there are different perspectives of the meanings in it depending on who reads it. This would not even be a question in the north, only in the bible belt.
February 18, 2008 5:20 PM
 

Stephen Bennett said:

The existance of evolutionary progress of bilogical forms isn't a theory, it is a well founded fact. The term theory is applicable to the ideas that are proposed to explain the scientific details of how evolution progresses in nature. The concept of a theory does not apply to the notion that evolution's obvious existance is somehow in doubt, subject to being refuted. There are also multiple theories that apply to understanding the ultimate nature of gravity, yet no one argues that gravity doesn't exist in fact, that its reality is "only a theory."
February 18, 2008 5:21 PM
 

Carol Holm said:

Evolution is still a theory that is unproven. And scientific proof will tell you it's impossible. You cannot get organization out of chaos. Ask a quantum physicist . It's never been proven and should probably not be taught except as science fiction or a theory
February 18, 2008 5:27 PM
 

E.V. Myers said:

Scientific fact is fact.  No matter how many people feel as though the bible should be taken as fact it is not.  The bible is a collection of stories passed down through hundreds of years, translated from several different languages into several different languages.  Various parts of the original writings have been discarded.  Several of the gospels contradict each other.  How could that accumulation be revered as the word of God.  Those same proclaimers ignore the truth that the "Golden Rule" is an integral part of many so called pagan religions.
Kindness and fairness and concern for others are important precepts - not necessarily from the bible.
February 18, 2008 5:31 PM
 

Gary Hollingshead said:

Evolution is a myth. The only evidence is Fabrication by unethical heroes.
February 18, 2008 5:36 PM
 

Jeff said:

WOW! I am embarrassed to call myself a Floridian! I though mass stupidity stopped at the Georgia border.

The Bible is a work of fantasy written by Rome, the enemy of the early christians, to control them. Believing the bible is the word of a god is equivalent to believing that the sun travels across the sky in a chariot drawn by horses.

Evolution is the study of the development and changes to creatures by genetics and the environment. Evolution is backed up buy fossils, observations, and genetic studies.

Please people... wake up and educate yourself, and stop standing in the way of the education of the next generation.
February 18, 2008 5:42 PM
 

TC Rusnak said:

I find the construct of your survey to be reprehensible in its simplistic use of the word "theory"... it only feeds in to the ignorance of so many around here who equate scientific theory with ordinary hunches. Scientific theory provides a conceptual framework that explains current observations and allows for prediction of new ones using tests, data gathering and replication by others with the same results.  Rather than pandering to the ignorant, why aren't you conducting more educational programing that could explain the rigorous criteria that must be met for an idea, observation or "hunch" to progress through the scientific method to a hypothesis and then to a the level of "validated scientific theory," such as Darwin's Theory of Evolution.   Programming explaining & demonstrating The Scientific Method would better serve the population than the "Paid Programming" your station squanders air time on during the weekends.  
February 18, 2008 5:42 PM
 

Christopher Radulich said:

If you believe in creationism then you say:

A. Geology is wrong
B. Astronomy is wrong
C. Archeology is wrong

Given That something like 40% of the people in Florida believe in creationism does it surprise anyone that we are falling behind other nations.
February 18, 2008 5:44 PM
 

S.E. Smith said:

Forty-nine years ago, I was asked about my career goals.  I proclaimed that I wanted to be a paleontologist.  I was familiar with Darwin's theory, and it made complete sense to me.  The science of paleontology and anthropology confirms that theory with every new discovery.

I am 56 years old.  I was nine years old when I understood the principles of evolution.  NINE.  It doesn't take a "rocket surgeon" to understand.

I had heard that Florida was a Bible-thumping state, but I thought that had passed around 50 years ago.  I can't believe that 40% of the population can't grasp the facts.

Here is my advice:  Turn off the Christian Channel on cable T.V. and turn on the Discovery Channel.  You may find true enlightenment.

February 18, 2008 5:49 PM
 

Mike A. said:

What do they actually mean by "evolution"? Change over time within the different "kinds" of animals happens, that is a fact. It is called Micro evolution.

What they want you swallow however is "Darwinian Evolution", or Macro evolution. You have to be careful, it is very deceiving. This is nothing more than a fairy tail for grown ups! We never see one "kind" aminal change into a different "kind" of animal. There is no evidence in the fossil record, nor is there any evidence this could actually happen in science, no matter how much time you give.

They knew nothing about molecular biology or the genetic code in Darwin's day. The most primitive cell is more complex than the space shuttle! If Charles Darwin were alive today, he would have abandoned the theory of evolution a long time ago.
February 18, 2008 6:52 PM
 

Loren M. said:

Only God can make one cell and put life in it.  Evolution has never done that one time, let alone all the cells of even one living thing.

To me it takes a lot more faith to believe in evolution that we can not see or have not seen at all, than it takes to believe in creation that repeats itself over and over again.

Therefore evolution is all false, and should not be taught in our schools.
February 18, 2008 9:34 PM
 

Alise said:

As a 12 grade high school student, I feel that if the public school system wants to teach about evolution, they need to teach it as a theory, not a fact. I am also a Christian, and personally support the idea of intelligent design, and public schools are not allowed to introduce that as a fact, so to introduce evolution that way would be wrong.
February 18, 2008 10:09 PM
 

Serena Ireton said:

I do not have a problem having Evolution taught as a theory. But why are they saying it will help students compete? I am a teacher and a previous financial consultant and never has knowing about Evolution ever cost me or gained me a better education or job!
February 18, 2008 10:11 PM
 

Kelly R. said:

Science classes should teach evolution because it is based upon facts.  Beliefs should be taught in church.  Creationism is strictly a belief.
February 18, 2008 10:12 PM
 

Cara said:

I think that the schools should teach both theories- Evolution and Creationism.  They should be taught as two possible scenarios and then leave it to familes and the children to decide what they believe.  
February 18, 2008 10:12 PM
 

R Stone said:

The church at one time would have you belive that the earth is the center of the universe. The power of  myth.
February 18, 2008 10:15 PM
 

Marsha said:

my take on this is if they are so intent to teaching evolution...then why was it so important to take prayer out of schools.....and if....IF people came from monkeys....then where in Gods green Earth did they come from???? DUH!!!!
February 18, 2008 10:15 PM
 

Kevin Knibbs said:

first off -- in the UNITED STATES, church and state are to be seperate... any teaching saying GOD created earth, and man, and everything else should be kept out of PUBLIC schools (and I am a practicing Christian).  The Theory of Evolution is dam near fact (in science - a "theory" is considered "fact") and should continue to be taught in PUBLIC schools... If you want your kids to be taught (or told) that all us people come from Adam and Eve then send them to Private School or  to Sunday School.
February 18, 2008 10:16 PM
 

Carmen C. said:

Ok. Come on people! I believe in there is a God but nobody can fight the theory of evolution, where are dinasaurs in the bible, where is asteroid that hit the earth; we have proof that this events existed yet they are not mention in the bible. I believe kids should be given options, you go to church to learn about God and you go to school to learn about facts and history. Everybody should have a choice about what they want to believe but that choice can't be made without knowing all the facts. If you want kids to believe in the story of creation and only that then take them to church and homeschool them if you want to give them a choice send them to school
February 18, 2008 10:17 PM
 

Adriel said:

okay, evolution is a THEORY. MJ GREEN, if you look at all the SCIENTIFIC evidence, you'll see, that it actually supports creationism. there is NO proof whatsoever that supports evolution. check your facts, then come back and talk.
February 18, 2008 10:17 PM
 

Mik Lorand said:

It is insane in this day and age to not teach evolutuion as a scientific fact. Otherwise, children in Florida will stay as ignorant as the ones attempting to force schools into teaching religion's "intelligent design"! Just WHAT are these religious zealots attempting to accomplish?? How can anyone think that public opinion should be the determining factor for educational curriculum! If that's the case, we may as well quit teaching anyithing scientific or factual and teach "popular" topics like the "Lives of Hollywood Stars" as main stream curriculum, interspersed with some religious dogma!! INSANE!
February 18, 2008 10:18 PM
 

Ted Johns said:

There is a reason more than twenty other nations are ahead of the U.S. in science. This debate is part of that reason. While the children of other nations are studying sound scientific principals such as "evolution", we are arguing about it. We must be rational and leave Gods' teachings where they belong, in church. It's time we all begin to use the brains God gave us.
February 18, 2008 10:19 PM
 

Lelia said:

I cannot believe in this day of scientific enlightenment that there are people who cannot believe what is front of their very eyes!  As another viewer so eloquently stated;"turn off the Christian channel and turn on the Discovery channel." The fact that this subject even has to be debated is a sad commentary on the state of Florida.
February 18, 2008 10:21 PM
 

J. livingston said:

if this has to be tought in our schools then lets use Theory . I personally do not think I came from a monkey or any of my family or people I know .
We took prayer out what more does these people want .
When you see how our shools are going it really makes you wonder about people & what are they really thinking or (not thinking) I feel they are not thinking & will push for any thing just to be heard .  J. livingston ( FL.)
February 18, 2008 10:22 PM
 

Anna C. said:

They don't want to teach about God but they are willing to teach our children that we came from monkeys !!!!!!!!!! When was the last time you saw a monkey become a man?!! And also, learning about evolution has nothing to do with competing. If children are behind in sience then teach them how to created things that will help with our future not something that has no true worth.
February 18, 2008 10:22 PM
 

Milinda said:

I went to FL public school K - 12th grade. I learned about Evolution as a theory and that worked just fine for me. To make someone competitive they need to know about evolution not whether it's fact or a theory. They should be able to take away from it what they chose. We have to take God out of everything but we are going to submit the other side as a fact. There is 2 sides to every story and each side thinks the other is theory. It should stay that way and let people chose what they want.
February 18, 2008 10:23 PM
 

PhantomZero said:

to the commenter above...
They took God and prayer out of the schools !!! Evolution most certainly should not be taught at all !! Fair is Fair !!!
And to comment ...

I can tell you to the fact that teaching evolution a proven fact should be taught...
religion was taken out due to the reason thatthere is no concrete evidence to prove it also that this commenter said
Evolution as advocated by Charles Darwin has its basis in scientific fact.  Why are religious advocates so threatened by this?  Reasons to Believe is a church organization with its headquarters in California that adheres to evolution as well as the Bible.  You CAN believe in both.  Check it out on the web

i agree to this reason to that you can have faith in god but you can beleive in evolution people who have not studied evolution become very ignorent to this evolution have not replaced god it merely explains why things where improved upon and how so if you beleive that then your faith should not be tempered on
February 18, 2008 10:23 PM
 

Rick Sandlin said:

EVOLUTION is to be taught only as a theory.  37% voted this should be taught as fact.  THERE'S NO PROOF AT ALL that evolution is fact.  There is ABSOLUTELY NO  link between ape and man.  NONE!
February 18, 2008 10:23 PM
 

Sandy Knighton said:

I believe in the Bible, therefore I believe in creationism. If you consider yourself to be a true "Christian", then you must belive the Bible to be 100% accurate. This does not mean that you need to fully understand everything that is written in it. This is what we call "faith". There is PLENTY of scientific evidence that backs up creationism. Personally, I think it would benefit our high school graduates who are planning on attending college to be familiar with the theory of evolution. It will only benefit them in their future studies. Charles Darwin himself admitted in his last days that he doubted his own findings. It would be nice if the media would report all of the "evidence"  and findings that are directly related to this issue...on "BOTH" sides.
February 18, 2008 10:24 PM
 

Dr. Cynthia Patterson said:

As a college professor, it is an embarrassment to find myself teaching in a state where this is even an issue. The Supreme Court decided this question in 1987 when "creation science" proponents tried to challenge the separation of church and state by arguing that CS should be taught as "science"; the Dover PA case of 2005 upheld the Supreme Court's decision against a similar line of argument over "intelligent design." Want to know why Florida universities cannot retain the best faculty? In addition to facing a state system that under funds higher education, faculty must face these kinds of anti-reason agendas. This is why the attrition rate is so high among junior faculty at Florida's universities. Why stay here and fight what sometimes appears to be a losing battle against reason and the scientific method, when one can go elsewhere, earn a better living, and not be harassed on a daily basis by those who prefer blind obedience to a religious agenda and persistent ignorance about the past 150 years of scientific research, to rational, scientific inquiry.
February 18, 2008 10:27 PM
 

K. Knibbs said:

ignorant -- all i can say...

there are FACTS that evolution is a sound THEORY -- meaning "fact" -- and why not teach FACTS in public schools????
... I really just don't understand why this is even a question but even more confusing to me is that 30% of people believe that evolution should not even be taught at all -- just mind-boggling...
February 18, 2008 10:29 PM
 

Sheila S. said:

Another reason to home school your children, it may be the only way to bring these kids up to the standards of the rest of the country and the world.  Maybe if enough of Florida parents did this the school system would get the message that it is more important to teach all subjects in a manner that the children will be prepared to go out and face the world wih a well rounded education, not one that a small sector of people believe in.
February 18, 2008 10:30 PM
 

K. Knibbs said:

Rick Sandlin -- the "theory of evolution" does not simply imply that man came from ape -- maybe you should go back to school.
February 18, 2008 10:32 PM
 

PhantomZero said:

I have to add another comment...
i would please request all you religious people out there to quickly study the facts of evolution...
also for all you floridians you all are frowned upon... for the fact that you cant never be completly educated and thats what you speak to the rest of the usevolution and creationism evolution explains not creation be cause it hasnt gone that far it explains upgrades man and monkey if you where up dated enough you would have found out 1 its studies are not over yet 2 there are alot of mammal facts that there where previous monkey type people in stages not that picture that you see and for all those that there is nolink well there is alot that is why they say there is upgrades my friend is different then creation can you create anything no y you are putting one thing with another that is evolution creation makes it clear that one greater being created verything i am a christian no fear in saying that but we had all tests in faith you all have asked who created god or how he created him self put that in your minds but there is nothing we can do  we still live our lives do we ponder every day no we live like zombies but when we do we are afraid becasue we have bneeen zombified drained of all specualtion teching fact from mythology or religion hmm what to say dont worry it wont make your kid stray away from religion you are only held resposible to keep him or her in that religion god gave you that task y are you in voking religion to others when they dfont want it and taking away of their study..
February 18, 2008 10:48 PM
 

jack b said:

There is scietific proof that evolution is based on facts. Most of these born again christians in Florida haven't evolved with the rest of the country to grasp this.
February 19, 2008 10:28 AM
 

Bill said:

Let the schools teach evolution.  Let the churchs teach creation based on that faith.  If we start to teach creation in the schools.  Then we start advocating a particular religion.  
Sorry, I pick my own religion.  
There is enough for the kids to learn with the limitations put on by the state legislature.  We are currently teaching to the FCAT.  Not about education.  Thank goodness we have lottery dollars to keep up the schools.  The state will not do anything.  
February 19, 2008 11:22 AM
 

Linda JL said:

Evolution is based on fact and religion on faith. What is so difficult for people to understand about the differences. Mighty shallow minded people going to churches these days. Shame on you that you don't want our children to get a true education.
As usual a few dictate to the many.
February 19, 2008 11:28 AM
 

Ashley P said:

I'm sick of idea that religious ideals are preventing our children from being educated to the maximum. God should never have been included on our money, in our pledge, etc. in the first place. This country was founded on the basis of religious freedom. It should not be imposed on those of us who are intelligent enough to question and refuse to accept a mythological approach to our creation. Therefore, our government should not prevent the most logical theory of our existence from being taught in our PUBLIC schools. You religious fanatics need to pick up a book other than the Bible and learn about the World as it truly is.    
February 19, 2008 3:38 PM
 

Matt Hillen said:

From an educational point of view, the holistic approach gives a comprehensive view of all theories to be considered by the learner.  To be exclusive in an body of knowledge is to distort an understanding of what is presented to the learner.  Learning implies giving all of the information that is available on the topic.  Many elitists like to control the thinking process in the education process.  History has already identified many individuals and organizations who have limited the access to the body of knowledge to control the thinking.  There is always room for free thinkers.  Separate fact from fiction and fact from theories and allow the learner to discern comprehensive learning opportunities.  
Matt Hillen
February 19, 2008 4:17 PM
 

imagine 1984 said:

In science, a theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behaviour are Newton's theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and general relativity.

In common usage, the word theory is often used to signify a conjecture, an opinion, or a speculation. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. This usage of theory leads to the common incorrect statement "It's not a fact, it's only a theory." True descriptions of reality are more reflectively understood as statements which would be true independently of what people think about them. In this usage, the word is synonymous with hypothesis. If religious "scholars" took the time to pick up a science book, they would know this and tell their congregations the facts.
February 19, 2008 4:18 PM
 

Holli Anderson said:

I take effense to the "theory" that man evolved from monkeys.  If that theory is so how are monkeys still being born monkeys and not humans.  We may be genetically alike in some ways but humans are not monkeys and monkeys are not humans.  For example that would be like saying penguins evolved from parrots, yeah they both have bird like features but they're not the same.  Since so many people have different beliefs they should not teach it in public schools, therefore no one could be affended.
February 19, 2008 4:18 PM
 

PAT VELIE said:

IF THOSE "EDUCATORS" BELIEVE THEY EVOLVED FROM A MONKEY, LET THEM BELIEVE IT.  MY BIBLE SAYS GOD CREATED ADAM FROM THE DUST OF THE EARTH AND HE MADE EVE AFTER TAKING A RIB OUT OF ADAM. WE ARE CREATED IN "HIS"
IMAGE AND GOD ISN'T OR WASN'T A MONKEY.  

IF EVOLUTION WAS A TRUE FACT, HOW COME IT ISN'T CONTINUING TODAY?  WHEN DID IT STOP?  THE IDEA OF EVOLUTION IS ABOUT AS RIDICULOUS AS CAN BE.  
February 19, 2008 4:19 PM
 

Tilly Flanders said:

What kind of knuckle-dragging, freedom-hating, single minded theological fascists would want our children to learn about the religious outlook on creation in Public schools, which are supposed to be void of religious undertones?
Many people, aside from being intelligent, are not religious and do not appreciate the idea of Abrahamian creation being forced on our children.
Evolution is a fact and can be backed by many proofs in our day- from the evolution of the whiptail lizard to an all female species [ http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/expeditions/treasure_fossil/Treasures/Unisexual_Whiptail_Lizards/lizards.html?50 ] to the biological differences in humans now from our days in the ice age.
Oops. i forgot. There was no ice age because there's not a chapter about it in Genesis. Feel free to ignore the tar pits. They're clearly an elaborate hoax.
Pardon my obvious embitterment, but for how long do Floridians have to be the subject of ridicule for backwater teachings? The time for fact and science isn't now, it was seventy years ago. Time to catch up and catch up quickly.
February 19, 2008 4:22 PM
 

imagine1984 said:

Sandy Knighton,
Where are these so called facts of creationism? If it is fact, it would be a scientifically proven theory. Would you please enlighten us to where we can get a copy of these proofs of creationism?
February 19, 2008 4:25 PM
 

Robert Clevenger said:

Evolution' prove it or shut up.
February 19, 2008 4:27 PM
 

betty said:

Some of you more knowledgeable people should search the archives for what the Supreme Court said about evolution back in the '60s....
"They declared that Evolution is a religion."  
So, why is it being taught in schools and not Christianity?
February 19, 2008 4:30 PM
 

Matt Hillen said:

Making a decision of what to teach in the public schools is often dictated by the expression..."separation of church and state."  With the study  of Evolution, we are considering whether this is fact or theory.  Philosophically, educators will agree to disagree with scientists who may limit their discoveries to the transparent only.  The why or the reason why human life exists takes on various meanings that allow a comprehensive, holistic approach rather than a secular humanistic approach of exclusion.  Many elitists want to control what is considered in a body of knowledge to focus on their elitist agenda.  That is the reason  why  so many parents  have opted to home school or to choose private education over public education for their children.  The holistic approach to education is the total achievement in learning.
 
February 19, 2008 4:31 PM
 

Scott Robinson said:

Just a little something that makes you think down deep.  All of science and faith are theories.  Maybe some proof, but still boils down to ones own personal belief.  You decide.  My question, that of a joke, is if we evolved from apes, why do we still have apes?  Hmmm...




"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ . " The atheist
professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new
students to stand .
"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"
"Yes sir," the student says .
"So you believe in God?"
"Absolutely . "
"Is God good?"
"Sure! God's good . "
"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
"Yes . "
"Are you good or evil?"
"The Bible says I'm evil . "
The professor gri ns knowingly . "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment
.
"Here's one for you . Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can
cure him . You can do it . Would you help him? Would you try?"
"Yes sir, I would . "
"So you're good . . . !"
"I wouldn't say that . "
"But why not say that? Y ou'd help a sick and maimed person if you could .
Most of us would if we could . But God doesn't . "
The student does not answer, so the professor continues . "He doesn't, does
he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to
Jesus to heal him How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"
The student remains silent .
"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says . He takes a sip of water from
a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax .
"Let's start again, young fella Is God good?"
"Er . . . yes, " the student says .
"Is Satan good?"
The student doesn't hesitate on this one . "No . "
"Then where does Satan come from?"
The student : "From . . . God . . "
"That's right . God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son . Is there evil in
this world?"
"Yes, sir . "
"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"
"Yes . "
"So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything,
then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle
that our works define who we are, then God is evil . "
Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: "Is there
sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they
exist in this world?"
The student: "Yes . "
"So who created them?"
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his q uestion .
"Who created them? There is still no answer . Suddenly the lecturer breaks
away to pace in front of the classroom . The class is mesmerized .
"Tell me," he continues onto another student . "Do you believe in Jesus
Christ, son?"
The student's voice is confident: "Yes, professor, I do . "
The old man stops pacing . "Science says you have five senses you use to
identify and observe the world around you . Have you ever seen Jesus?"
"No sir . I've never seen Him"
"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
"No, sir, I have not . "
"Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelled your
Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for
that matter?"
"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't . "
"Yet you still believe in him?"
"Yes . "
"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
science says your God doesn't exist . What do you say to that, son?"
"Nothing," the student r eplies . "I only have my faith . "
"Yes, faith," the professor repeats . "And that is the problem science has
with God . There is no evidence, only faith . "
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of his own
. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"
"Yes," the professor replies . "There's heat . "
"And is there such a thing as cold?"
"Yes, son, there's cold too . "
"No sir, there isn't . "
The professor turns to face the student,
obviously interested . The room suddenly becomes very quiet . The student
begins to explain .
"You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited
heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything
called 'cold' . We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat,
but we can't go any further after that . There is no such thing as cold;
otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees . Every
body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and
heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy . Absolute zero
(-458 F) is the total absence of heat . You see, sir, cold is only a word we
use to describe the absence of heat . We cannot measure cold . Heat we can
measure in thermal units because heat is energy . Cold is not the opposite
of heat, sir, just the absence of it . "
Silence across the room . A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding
like a hammer .
"What about darkness, professor . Is there such a thing as darkness?"
"Yes," the professor replies without hesitation . "What is night if it isn't
darkness?"
"You're wrong again, sir . Darkness is not something; it is the absence
of something . You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called
darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word . In
reality, darkness isn't . If it were, you would be able to make darkness
darker, wouldn't you?"
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him . This will be
a good semester . "So what point are you making, young man?"
"Yes, professor . My point is, your philosophical prem ise is flawed to
start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed . "
The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time . "Flawed? Can you
explain how?"
"You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains . "You
argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God .
You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure . Sir, science can't even explain a thought . It uses electricity
and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one .
To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that
death cannot exist as a substantive thing . Death is not the opposite of
life, just the absence of it . "
"Now tell me, professor . Do you teach your students that they evolved from
a monkey?"
"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes,
of course I do"
"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where
the argument is going . A very good semester, indeed .
"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot
even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not
teachingyour opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"
The class is in uproar . The student remains silent until the commotio n h
as subsided .
"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me
give you an example of what I mean . "
The student looks around the room . "Is there anyone in the class who has
ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter .
"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the
professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain? No one
appears to have done so . So, according to the established rules of
empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no
brain, with all due respect, sir . So if science says you have no brain,
how can we trust your lectures, sir?"
Now the room is silent . The professor just stares at the student, his face
unreadable .
Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers . "I guess you'll
have to take them on faith . "
"Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,"
the student continues . "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"
Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is . We see it
everyday . It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man . It is in
the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world . These
manifestations are nothing else but evil . "
To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does
not exist unto itself . Evil is simply the absence of God . It is just like
darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe t he absence of
God .
God did not create evil . Evil is the result of what happens when man does
not have God's love present in his heart . It's like the cold that comes
when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light . "
The professor sat down
February 19, 2008 4:31 PM
 

M.S.L. said:

The problem lies with those that cannot accept the science of evoluition, believe that they colud not have evolved from a "lowly" one celled organism. They believe that this is degrading to their fragile, precious psyche, that they are better than that and are better than anyone else, plus  somehow too "special" to be considered as "evolved." This just proves that these people are probably as evolved mentally as that "lowly" one celled organism and still have not evolved to be able to understand anything that is not explained to them by "father figure authorities" such as a preacher, priest, minister, rabbi or mullah, in a form they are able to comprehend, that was written down, by some scribe, over 2 or 3 thousand years ago and told to them over and over again. Their beliefs and state of concsiessness are still at the one celled organism level and they are afraid. Very afraid of that mean and rathful god, who will surely smite them, if they don't believe and follow the dogma and rhetoric that the god appointed "father figure authorities" tell them to follow.
February 19, 2008 4:49 PM
 

Eugene said:

Evolution is absorbed by misled people who would rather be a monkey than a god like creature destined to live forever with no pain no sorrow . Evolution gives no hope for  a future. The next jump in evolution is to return to the dinosaur age according to the discovery channel . Maybe your offspring will have evolved filters on their gills in all that poluted atmosphere. I just don"t how intelligent man can be so blind , go  look at your hand , you have fingers and they have prints, a monkey does not. Reproduction of all species requires seed , seed grows the same species no matter what it is , science canot prove where seed did not come from. Open yoyr eyes and your misinformed mind. Darwin even said he wished he had never written his papers.
February 19, 2008 5:06 PM
 

AGALNAMEDSUEBOO said:

Hmm , how will they find time to teach this , there too busy teaching the FCAT , so they can get there school funding .
February 19, 2008 5:07 PM
 

A.P. said:

Christianity is nothing but the equivalent to Greek & Roman mythology. We don't teach either of those as fact in Public schools. Evolution is evident in many things. I see many uninformed individuals insisting that evolution only means we came from monkeys. Use the brain your "God" gave you and read a book. (The Bible doesn't count because it's a collection of fiction stories meant to control and create order among the good little Christian drones by the force of eternal damnation)
February 19, 2008 5:23 PM
 

edgemicate this kids said:

Why even question teaching it? Because my daughter shouldn't have to sit next to some one in collage who has never been taught about it.  Why is the U.S. the most uneducated society when it comes to facts and full of false  expectations when religon come in to play


God and prayer out of schools keep learning in
February 19, 2008 5:34 PM
 

Charissa G said:

OK so this is a very controversial subject and really can only be talked about as a matter of opinion. There is no right or wrong way to believe, it all depends on what type of person you are and what you believe in. If everyone could just stop trying to prove why their way is so much better and accept people for who they really are and what they believe, there wouldn't be so much violence in the world, but everyone is too ignorant to get over themselves.
    In my personal opinion I believe that God is very real. I go to church every Sunday and am a devout Catholic. In my religion it is incorrect to believe that evolution is what started the planet, but i accept the idea that, like it says in the Bible, God created all things. I also think that evolution came after God put everything into existence. So my theory is that both God and evolution put us where we are now.
    But like my Biology teacher said today in class NOTHING IN SCIENCE IS EVER KNOWN TO BE THE EXACT TRUTH AND NOTHING CAN EVER BE PROVEN TRUE, ONLY FALSE--- THERFORE EVOLUTION CANNOT BE TAUGHT AS A FACT BUT ONLY AS A THEORY. and for everyone who disagrees with that statement if everything ever thought to be true was stated as a fact, we would still believe that the sun revolves around the earth and that the earth is the center of the universe..... so i guess think about it and decide for yourself not by people pressuring you to believe one way. In school no one  says "you have to believe in evolution and if you don't you will fail and be an outcast for the rest of your life" they just teach evolution as a theory that goes along with what Charles Darwin thought just like all the other theories taught in school (newton's laws,the earth is round, law of gravity, etc.)

Thanks for listening =)
February 19, 2008 5:47 PM
 

Tommy White said:

A country that was built on freedom and God. Now the state says teach evolution.What happened to our belief in God
February 19, 2008 6:19 PM
 

Ralph Beltran said:

Teach evolution
February 19, 2008 6:58 PM
 

Eric said:

The teaching of evolution is like every other science. Science has brought us TV sets, refrigerators, carpets, houses, etc. So many things, because science is the study of reality and once you know how things work you can manipulate your environment. Science thought us that illnesses were not demons but viruses or bacteria infections and so on.

Evolution is, like any other science, the study of the truth within biology. Getting rid of that will plunge us in a new dark age were belief and assumptions rule over evidence and reasoning.

Teaching evolution will not make our kids violent. Wisdom does not makes any one into a violent person, our society should look into science more than ever because our kids are violet because their generation is full of negative messages from videos, movies to commercials and reality shows.

Science is the study of the truth and if we would be a species who would listen to evidence and logic with such power we could end up hunger, keep our population happy and the numbers in balance with nature. We could end illnesses and violence. If we just tried to find the answers within science. By studying cause and effect we can enter the realm of logic, and by doing such we could end so many problems which we face today.

Evolution is a fact. The evidence stands from the junk genes that we have which are genes that are off which came from mice and other ancestors, to the overwhelming evidence of growing change patterns of biology that we have found to be a fact over millions of years of change. To how fast animals change, from one population to another.

It does not takes a great matematician to know the equation of evolution. If you are a person. and I am looking at you, and you look slitly different than I am, that is the basis of evolution. And missing links are not a lack of evolution evidence, if anything they are a proff of evidence.

Even artificial selection shows us what a shape shifting biology we are. A wolf has been turned into a dog by artificial selection. A Pug, for example, no one could believe that such a creature came from a wolf, but it did, and the evidence is in our history.

If some of us want to believe in something else that is completely fine. There are so many churches for us all. However, the only place were kids can go to learn sciences is in school.

And no one can tell me that it is an insult for me to think that I came from an ape. Because apes are the ones who have to feel ashamed that we came from them. Just take a look at our history, and you will find who is the real animal.

I feel proud to have come from apes. And I wish humans would behave with the love most apes have towards each other.

My whole family is not with me on this. They are all evangelists, and they all think evolution is crap. However, when I talk to them the reason why they believe that way is because they know nothing about the workings of such process.

I never fight back because killing their beliefs is like killing a part of them. So I respect other peoples beliefs. However, people should have the right to chose how to see reality. And science is something we need now more than ever. Because, o boy!....We are not making this planet a better place. With over-population and the depletion of our resources, we are in some deep deep problem, and it shall only get worst as time goes by, unless we embrace some type of logical enlightment of cause and effect.

The future of this world does not looks good at all! Now is the worst time to start removing the actions of logical thinking. Yes, logical thinking that is what all science is. When you cross the street you look both ways; that is a scientific assesment you are doing before you cross the street. Is it better than believing cars are not coming and plunging onto the street without looking? Science is simply the study of reallity. And in no way it should be viewed as someting religion has to fight or something that should be against religion.

It should be two things that do not touch each other because they completely go in different ways.
February 19, 2008 9:50 PM
 

sandy said:

EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO HEAR ABOUT EVOLUTION AND DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES, THAT IS WHAT EDUCATION IS ABOUT. WE ARE NOT LIVING HERE IN AMERICA IN DICTATORSHIP, WE ARE STILL FREE AND SHOULD FIGHT FOR IT. LEARNING ABOUT EVOLUTION WHEN WE WERE YOUNG DID NOT HURT US, IT WAS INTERESTING.
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